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Post by Marlins GM (Andrew) on Nov 5, 2019 2:34:31 GMT
In 2019's free agency, total contract value was the solely determinant of highest FA bid, so a $1M / 4 year bid beat out a $3.5M / 1 year bid. This was irrational and incentivized some screwy contracts & behaviors, where long-length, low AAV contracts were prioritized, even for players over 35. For 2020 and beyond, we're proposing implementing two sets of rules: 1. Age limits on contract length: Players 33 and older (as of Jan 1st) may not be offered a contract longer than 3 years 2. A multiplier to determine the value of each proposed contract For #2, I've again set up a quick model to show the balance points of any system - just change cell i4 and watch the AAVs change. Link to quick model here: docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1mTrOlt6oZI3bOeYsTjxfhVfOYJeVVK34iEGv2Vh1apA/edit?usp=sharing |
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Post by Pirates GM (Alex) on Nov 19, 2019 2:09:35 GMT
1. I think having a set age limit on contract offers is unnecessary. If it's 5 years? Maybe. Fixing the contract multiplier system should fix this naturally.
2. I'm not in favor of the high multiplier that everyone is voting for at 2.25x. It should be around 1.8x at the max. We're trying to fix the system that allowed teams to sign players to cheap, very long contracts. This still continues that with such a high multiplier. Why not set a lower max length of contracts to like 5 years? That makes the multipliers more manageable.
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Post by Mets GM (Phil) on Nov 19, 2019 2:44:20 GMT
I think 6 years is too long as well. We'd like to believe that the 30 teams voting today will be owning players for 6 years but the reality is there is plenty of ownership turnover in all of these leagues. I'd recommend 4 years max contracts but I'm sure I'm on the low end with that suggestion To me, 5 should be the absolute max though.
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Post by DBacks GM (David) on Nov 19, 2019 14:37:24 GMT
I like the idea of a 5 year max FA contract and even adding a contract limit to older guys; ie: You can't sign a FA who is older than 35 y/o to a 5 year deal. Teams do it in these dynasty leagues because it's the easiest/cheapest way to win a player but IRL no MLB team is giving a 36 y/o player a 5 year contract. Just make it so that any player 35 y/o or older can only get a 2 year max length deal. That forces teams to pay more upfront for a player instead of spreading it across 5 years in order to win them.
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Post by Padres GM (Fridge) on Nov 19, 2019 15:02:39 GMT
1. I think having a set age limit on contract offers is unnecessary. If it's 5 years? Maybe. Fixing the contract multiplier system should fix this naturally. Me and Michele are in favor of this too |
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Post by Tigers GM (Ryan) on Nov 19, 2019 16:04:45 GMT
Not sure how this really changes things... Longer cheaper deals still beat reasonable higher priced deals. Only difference instead of dumb 8 year deals, we'll get dumb 5 or 6 year ones lol
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Post by Marlins GM (Andrew) on Nov 19, 2019 16:18:39 GMT
Long term deals have to put significantly more cap on the table to compete with short deals compared to old rules.
2019 rules: $1M / 5 years = $5M / 1 year
2020 proposed rules (5 years, 1.8x cap): $2.78M / 5 years = $5M /1 year
That's triple the salary out the door. You can reasonably argue that it should go farther, but I'd feel a heckuva lot better about the contracts given out if we at least entered 2020 under that ruleset & re-assessed following FA.
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Post by Pirates GM (Alex) on Nov 19, 2019 16:31:39 GMT
I still think the multiplier should be lower. You're using the example of $5m which looks insignificant (a small, $2.2m discount for offering 4 more years), but if you extend that to a higher priced free agent, we'll get similar contracts to what we had before.
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Post by Marlins GM (Andrew) on Nov 19, 2019 16:45:43 GMT
2019 rules: $3M / 5 years = $15M / 1 year
2020 proposed rules (5 years, 1.8x cap): $8.33 / 5 years = $15M /1 year
2020 Alternate (5 years, 1.4x cap): $10.71 / 5 years = $15M / 1 year
The alternate scenario feels a bit too much to me, but we can talk about it.
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Post by Marlins GM (Andrew) on Nov 19, 2019 20:59:22 GMT
Scenario 1 (2019): $3M / 5 years = $15M / 1 year
Scenario 2 (1.8x): $8.33M / 5 years = $15M / 1 year
Scenario 3 (1.4x): $10.71M / 5 years = $15M / 1 year
Scenario 4 (1.2x): $12.5M / 5 years = $15M / 1 year
Scenario 5 (1.0x): $15M / 5 years = $15M / 1 year
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